Spiritually speaking, what is the problem with allowing gays the right to state sanctioned marriage?

January 22, 2013 | By

Question by Ms Stevie II, la precuela: Spiritually speaking, what is the problem with allowing gays the right to state sanctioned marriage?
If objectors were willing to allow domestic partnerships?

Can't religious folks still ban who the heck they want from church marriage version 3.0?
What is it about separation of church and state don't people get? Some think free speech can be sinful....

Best answer:

Answer by Where are you?
Again there is no logical argument for gays being allowed to marry.

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Comments (20)

  1. Free Thinker™ *JP(&1C)A A.R.T.

    The same reason pre-marital sex is illegal.

    Oh wait….

  2. artemisfiere

    There is no problem with it, that is why the court found in favor of letting gays marry!!!

  3. Bobert

    God opposes it that is the problem. Jesus never said “Go your way, your sin is ‘ok’.” Rather, he said “Go and sin no more.” (John 5:14, 8:11) Jesus loves gays and wants to deliver them from their sin. Christians must reprove sin in love (Eph 5:11;4:15).

    Some say Sodom wasn’t destroyed because of homosexual conduct but that premise does not hold up.
    Jude 7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha … giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

    “Giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh.” is from the Greek EKPORNUESASAI and APELTHOUSAI OPISO SARKOS HETERAS. The first is a combination of the Greek PORNEIA, which is derivation for our English word “pornography,” and the prefix “EK,” which means “out of.” The second phrase literally means “going after different flesh.” The operative word here is “different,” which is from the Greek HETERAS. In this context it refers to sexual relations that are “different” than normal sexual relations, i.e., homosexual relations.

    Ezekiel 16: 49-50 … this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom…And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.

    The sodomites commited abomination( Leviticus 18:22 also states that homosexual conduct is an abomination.) The judgement of Sodom occured before the giving of the Law to Moses. Therefore the judgement of homosexual conduct as an abomination can in no way be considered as mere ritual uncleaness, but can only be considered as morally reprehensible.

    Similarly, in Judges 19:22-25 where the sons of Belial wanted gay sex (again the word is yada’), gay sex was called wicked and vile. The same word “know” was used in this passage as in the Genesis passage below. “Know” in the context means to have sex with.

    Before the angels went to Sodom, God said:
    Geneis 18:20 … Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;

    Gen 19:4But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:
    5And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.

    Here the men are saying they want gay sex. Nothing about rape *yet.*
    6And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,
    7And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.

    Lot said their desire for gay sex was “wicked” Lot was a preacher of righteousness who was vexed by their behaviour(2 Peter 2:4-8) Now, the sodomites got mad when Lot preched to them that gay sex is “wicked” and thereated to hurt the preacher of righteousness, Lot. They said he had no right to judge them and he better stand aside or they would rape him and the men in his house (they didn’t know his guests were angels.)

    9And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door.

    So the sodomites got mad when preacher Lot, with their sin, said “I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.” No mention of hospitality, just gay sex that God’s preacher said is “wicked.” “Sodom” is used as a figure of sexual sin and is referred to as the place of divine judgment over two dozen times in Scripture (cf., Dt 29:23; 32:32; Is 1:9-10; 3:9; 13:19; Jr 23:14; 49:18; 50:40; Lm 4:6; Ez 16:46-56; Am 4:11; Zp 2:9; Mt 10:15; 11:23; Rm 9:29).

    Let’s look at one more passage about Sodom.
    2 Peter 2:6And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
    7And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:
    8(For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds;)

    The word translate “unlawful” is arsenokoite¯s ar-sen-ok-oy’-tace From G730 and G2845; a sodomite: – abuser of (that defile) self with mankind. So the overwhelming evidence is that the main sin for which Sodom was destroyed is homosexual conduct.

    Christians are anti-sin, not anti-gay. Sin is a matter of choice. God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. Both the Old and New Testament teach that homosexual conduct is an abomination to God.

    Leviticus 18:22-30 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination… And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants…[ye] and shall not commit any of these abominations;…(For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is defiled;)…. That the land spue not you out also, when ye defile it, as it spued out the nations that were before you… For whosoever shall commit any of these abominations, even the souls that commit them shall be cut off from among their people… that ye commit not any one of these abominable customs, which were committed before you, and that ye defile not yourselves therein: …

    Christians who adopts a gay lifestyle will be “cut off from among their people”–lose their salvation.

    Romans 1:25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
    26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
    27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
    32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

    We see here that homosexual behavior is unnatural and that their affections are called vile, as we saw in the book of Judges. It should be noted that the word translated “unseemly” is to-ay-baw’, to-ay-baw’
    Feminine active participle of H8581; properly something disgusting (morally), that is, (as noun) an abhorrence; especially idolatry or (concretely) an idol: – abominable (custom, thing), abomination. So we see the apostle Paul called homosexual conduct an abomination, just as the Old Testament does.

    1 Cor 6:9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
    10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

    The word translated effiminate = homosexual.

    1Timothy 1:8But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
    9Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
    10For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

    Paul specifically describes the homosexuality with the Greek word, arsenokoites, a compound word taken from arsenos – male and koiten – intercourse. Together, the word means simply, “male intercourse.” In the context of both 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 and 1 Timothy 1:10,11, it is clear Paul is referencing homosexual sex acts between two men. Even more striking is the reading of Leviticus 20:13 in the LXX, the Greek translation of the OT, the translation Paul would had most certainly been using during his ministry to the gentiles. The LXX has at Leviticus 20:13 the words, arsenos koiten. Paul is basically adapting the two words to make one word describing a behavior condemned by God that excludes the practitioner from the Kingdom of God and from which he or she must be redeemed. We also see that homosexual conduct is said to be contrary to sound doctrine. Therefore the doctrine of any Christian church has to be that homosexual conduct is sin.

    There are liberal preachers today preaching a lie and liberal “pastors” who are gay. Be not decieved. If they reject God’s word then reject them.

    The kings God called good executed or exiled homosexuals (1King 15:11-12; 22:46)

    Furthur reflections:
    1) Jesus confirmed the natural order of man and wife for sexuality and only acknowledged celibacy as the other alternative.(Mat 19:3-5; 19:10-11)

    2)Ephesians 5:21-33; Colossians 3:18-19; 1 Peter 3:1-7; 1 Corinthians 7 gives rules of conduct for Christian family life. No mention of homosexuality is found there.There are no discussions of wife-wife or husband-husband relationships.
    In this passage Paul also uses marriage as a picture of the relationship Christ has with his church.

    3) The Spirit of God can deliver gays from their unrighteous behavior.
    1 Cor 6:9-10 … the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind….shall inherit the kingdom of God.
    11And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

  4. Blessed Cheese Maker Reborn

    It is truly just an attempt to insert religion into governance.

    Jesus himself said give unto Cesar what is Cesar’s, yet his followers insist on trying to influence the government to follow their immoral views on life.

  5. Patrick D

    It is a problem because marriage is one man and one woman.

    edit: We as Christians, have EVERY RIGHT to vote our will into government and schools as anyone else has a right to vote their will. Being Christian does not make us less of a citizens. Nor does being gay, or atheist or socialist, make your vote count less. See you at the ballot box!

  6. ruth

    Spiritually speaking and societally speaking, it has never been done in history, to our knowledge, except once–according to the below-referenced article.

    Interesting reading. Give it a shot.

  7. Sister Mary Elephant Martha AM

    Watch out for the Spanish Inquisition!!

  8. The Bard

    Some people seem to be under the false impression that marriage is purely religious but it is not. Marriage is a legal contract that can be religious if the couple wants it to be.

    The Bard~

  9. lisaldb3

    Small minds don’t allow any room to grow. And fear of the unknow keeps many things from happening. Even when it comes down to expressing love in this world. Which there seems to be very little of now a days.

  10. Sun: supporting gay rights

    There is none, except prejudice.

    Making gay marriage legal would in no way infringe upon the rights of individual churches to refuse to marry gay people. Most churches would still refuse. Making gay marriage legal would simply allow gay people the same rights that all other US citizens enjoy.

  11. Colette Pioline ART

    I’m increasingly of the opinion that we need a new term.

    People argue that gay marriage ruins the sanctity of marriage.

    But, the sanctity of marriage refers to marriage sanctioned by god. In the US, where you can get married without any religious involvement at all, and where a marriage performed by a member of the clergy is not valid until a secular marriage license is issued, sanctity of marriage quite obviously doesn’t exist.

    Which, erases the argument against gay marriage.

    So, both heterosexuals and homosexuals should be allowed to get married, and if religious people want to get a marriage that is sanctioned by god (i.e. performed by a clergy member, recognized by their religion) they may go ahead and call it a sanctified marriage.

    Of course, since there are already churches willing to marry gay couples…

  12. jaantoo1

    The problem is : it is an act of HOLY Matrimony.. There is nothing HOLY about Homosexuality.. Period.

    Why is that so hard to understand..

    If the state wants to give some form of civil arrangement fine.

    But it is not Holy, blessed by God, sacred matrimony and it is off limits to those that God finds an abomination.. As it should be…

    I agree that they should have the right to make health choices and other legal options for their partner..


    Peace and God bless from Texas <><

  13. Tony D
  14. Dale R

    It doesn’t matter, the world is anti christian. Soon they will outlaw speaking against queers. When you have rid the world of the Christians and their morals, you then will think that you have won. And then you can gnash your teeth and curse our God, in hatred.

  15. robin s

    there is no problem with allowing gays to marry except the ones that are made up by people who, for whatever reasons, seem to think that they should have less rights than the rest of us. if marriage is meant to be a pledge between two people who intend to spend the rest of their lives together, and a gay couple intends to do so, why should they not have as much right to legalize that union as everyone else? How would you like it if, after spending 20 years with your partner, they up and died on you and some jerk came and said “you can’t keep any of your partner’s assets because there was no piece of paper saying they were also your assets”? The harsh reality of today’s world is that this is the sort of thing that happens all the time, not just among gays but also unmarried heterosexuals. Then too you have the medical insurance issues in which only your marriage partner can get benefits as opposed to your domestic partner. So, just because someone’s partner is the same sex they can’t marry, and therefore can’t make sure their partner gets what they are entitled to both in life and death. It isn’t right or fair, and quite frankly i think that it should be illegal to say gays CAN’T marry each other because our constitution guarantees we can pursue happiness regardless of religion, sex, race, etc. Gays are allowed to vote, right? gays can hold office, can join our armed forces, etc. So why deny them a right everyone else has simply because some stupid antiquated religion says there’s something wrong with it? It’s appalling and we should do something about it.

  16. epidavros

    Well, statistically Christian marriages are less stable than atheist ones (higher divorce rate, census bureau fact). And when they find that gay marriages are ALSO more long term and stble – well how embarrassing do you want it to get.

  17. Princess Catti-brie [♥]

    What does God have to do with state sanctioned legal contracts?

    Does he have a place in the recording studio? how about adoption papers? Legal wills? Power of attorney?

    I could go on and on.

  18. Mike B

    The problem is not gay access, the problem is the state sanctioning of a religious ordinance. In Japan for instance, the state does not license marriage they merely record it after the fact. Giving the state the authority to define a religious ordnance is a violation of the first amendment. If the state merely recorded marriages then any group of like minded individuals could band together to set standards for recognition within their group. As in education, state control results in mandated, cookie cutter standards that nobody is happy with

  19. somebodyznobody

    If a religious person does not believe in it, they are not going to vote for it……same goes for a atheist, who does not believe in gay marriage.

    Wouldn’t it be hypocritical to agree with something in law, that a person doesn’t believe in at all?

    Surely those who do believe in gay marriage, and have religious beliefs, bring these beliefs together.

    What about other laws, that are Christian based..ie freedom of choice. Punishing crime.

    I expect there will also be a lot more pressure on churches to accept gay marriage in churches, once it’s ‘normal’, in society. That I predict will cause conflict in the future. How many churches will change ‘their beliefs’ to accommodate this, I wonder. Those they don’t will be vilified, I’m sure.

    Good question.